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Safety and Buildings Division Conveyance Safety Code Council Meeting Summaries Tuesday March 13, 2012, 9:30a.m. To 2:50p.m. Department of Safety and Professional Services, Conference Room 121C, 1400 East Washington Avenue, Madison, WisconsinATTENDANCE: Council Members: Public member-vacancy, Building Contractors Representative-vacancy, Michael Dauck- present, Kelvin Nord-present, Paul Rosenberg, Chair-present, Adam Smith-present, Kenneth Smith-present, Andrew Zielke, Vice Chair-present
Brian Ferris Integrated Services Bureau, DSPS Safety and Buildings Division Joe Hertel, Program Development Bureau, DSPS Board Services Division David Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau, DSPS Safety and Buildings Division Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau, DSPS Safety and Buildings Division
Robert Radmer, Supervisor, City of Milwaukee Neighborhood Services Jeff Lund, Waupaca Elevator Nick Kretchmer, Kone Elevator
Chair Paul Rosenberg opened March 13, 2012, meeting of the Conveyance Safety Code Council with an introduction of himself and asked members, and guests to introduce themselves. Agenda was accepted as written.
The Council approved the agenda for January 18, 2012
Staff and Council members are still working with the Governor’s Office to fill the two remaining vacancies on the Council.
Department staff updated the Council on the following: • Vacancies update – Joe Hertel updated the council regarding news about the public member vacancy and the building contractor representative vacancy. As of the meeting the Governor’s Office as well as the Secretary’s Office is still seeking a public member in addition to a building contractor representative. • The Elevator Symposium – Comments regarding the symposium were made. Staff members were working with the Division Administrator in terms of approving the symposium. As of the meeting it currently looks like there will be no symposium. • Continuing Education – Concerns were raised about finding continuing education hours in Wisconsin. Violations may begin occurring if not enough continuing education is available. Adam Smith updated the Council regarding a date in October where a continuing education course maybe held with Jim Meyer from California. • Legislative – The process on the administrative rules have not been updated. Everything remains the same. No recent updates regarding the financial studies and the economic impact analysis. Proposed statutory changes regarding conveyances in private residences have been forwarded to the department. • Conveyance Code Activity – Update from previous meeting remains the same. • Credentialing update contractors and licensed individuals
Brian Rausch distributed the proposed administrative code changes to Chapter SPS 318 to Council members and guests. The council got through half of the administrative code. The Council will go through the rest of the proposed administrative code changes at the April 25th meeting.
Members confirmed the following meetings for April, May, June, and July: • Wednesday - April 25 • Tuesday - May 22 • Tuesday - June 26 • Tuesday - July 31
Next Meeting The Council’s next meeting will be from 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., Tuesday, April 25, 2012 at the Department of Safety and Professional Services, 1400 East Washington Avenue, Madison, WI. Contact Joe Hertel at (608) 266-5649 or email at joe.hertel@wisconsin.gov with questions. Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., Department of Safety and Professional Services, Conference Room 121C, 1400 East Washington Avenue, Madison, Wisconsin ATTENDANCE: The Council welcomed Michael M. Dauck, who was appointed recently by the Governor’s Office. Mike was nominated by UW-Madison to fill the building owners/managers position on the Council. The agenda was accepted as written. Review progress report from previous meeting The Council made two corrections to its November 16, 2011 progress report, and approved the report as corrected. Council member status Staff and Council members are working with the Governor’s Office to fill the two remaining vacancies on the Council. Department Secretary Dave Ross has been asked to finalize the staff appointments of Joe Hertel and Brian Ferris to the Council. Division updates Department staff updated the Council on the following: • The Elevator Symposium – A request for approval has been submitted to the division administrator to hold the annual Elevator Symposium next fall at Lake Geneva. Because the symposium is nationally certified, it is well attended by people from Wisconsin and surrounding states and is not a financial burden to the department. The Council pointed out that the symposium is the main venue for elevator professionals to get continuing education for their credentials. The Council asked staff for the name of the appropriate department contact to address letters of support for the symposium. • Administrative – Kathy Sotak, who is executive assistant to Nancy Mistele, administrator of the Safety and Buildings Division, was introduced. • Legislative – Staff attended training in mid-December relating to Executive Order (EO) #50 which was issued November 2, 2011, and distributed at the Council’s November 16 meeting. The training was presented by the Legislative Council and the Governor’s Office of Regulatory Compliance (GORC). The following changes in the rule-making process were discussed at the training: 1. Economic Impact Analysis (EIA) Public Comment Period – To prepare the EIA, Executive Order #50 requires that the draft proposed rule language is posted on the division’s website and submitted to GORC for public comment. If the proposed rule draft has no or minimal economic impact, the public comment period is 14 days; if moderate impact, 30 days; and if significant impact, 60 days. (In addition to posting the draft rules on the S&B website, the department will solicit input from stakeholders via its listserv system during the EIA public comment period.) When the public comment period ends, the department will compile the EIA and submit it to GORC with a copy of the rule analysis. Then a public hearing date can be set and the rule package sent to the Legislative Council for review and to the Legislative Reference Bureau to publish in the Administrative Register. 2. Small Business Regulatory Review Board (SBRRB) – In the past, only those rule proposals that affected small business were submitted to the SBRRB. The SBRRB was reinstated by 2011 Wisconsin Act 46. EO#50 requires all proposed rule packages to be submitted to the SBRRB, and the SBRRB’s report to accompany the final rule draft to the Governor’s Office and for legislative review. 3. Public hearing comment period – EO #50 sets a time frame of 30 days from when the public hearing comment period ends and the revised package and comments are submitted to the Governor’s Office. Depending on the number of comments or size of the rule package, there may be some flexibility in this time limit and the department will be able to apply for a waiver. • Conveyance code activity – Comm18 now can be found on the Internet as SPS 318. Administrative codes previously under the authority of the Department of Commerce were retitled effective January 1, 2012 to reflect the authority of the new Department of Safety and Professional Services. • Credentialing update – As of January 18, 2012, the number of conveyance licenses are as follows: • 53 elevator contractors • 703 elevator mechanics • 29 elevator mechanics–restricted • 163 elevator apprentices • 1 elevator apprentice–restricted • 94 elevator helpers • 46 elevator inspectors • 28 lift mechanics • 20 lift helpers Private resident elevator testing At its November meeting, the Council discussed changes made in statutes by 2011 Wisconsin Act 32 (the budget bill) relating to belt manlifts and annual inspections for conveyances in private residences. The Council asked staff to develop language and pursue how best to reverse the changes. Joe distributed a handout with the following recommendations: 1. Section 101.981 (1) (c), Stats. – Strike belt manlifts from the definition of a conveyance and add it to the list of exempted equipment. If this is not changed in statutes, then the Council has the authority to change the definition in administrative rules. 2. Sections 101.983 (2) (c) and (d), Stats. – Inspect conveyances serving private residences at installation and upon the sale of the residence. The permit to operate is not transferable to the new owner. During the ensuing discussion, Council members suggested tweaking the database and updating the real estate transfer form relating to conveyances serving private residences. The Council asked staff to finalize the amended language and share it with the Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF). Revised conveyance alteration tables for Chapter SPS 318 Brian Rausch distributed a handout that listed staff recommendations for revisions to the alteration tables in Chapter SPS 318. One of the first changes would be to change the title of the tables to include “repairs and replacements.” The Council reviewed the proposed changes to Table SPS 318.1013-1 and Table SPS 318.1013-2. The four remaining tables will be discussed at the Council’s next meeting. Witnessing of tests by inspectors Because national standards require witnessing of all tests by inspectors, the Council discussed limiting witnessing to category 5 tests. During the ensuing discussion, several points were made including the cost of witnessing, the manpower needed, the money saved, the safety gained and that surrounding states (Illinois and Michigan) are already doing witnessing. The Council asked staff to research and draft proposed code language that would codify witnessing of the 5-year test. Set next meeting and adjourn At its November meeting, the Council decided to meet monthly during winter 2012. Members confirmed the following dates for February and March meetings and set a date for an April meeting: • Tuesday – February14 • Tuesday – March 13 • Tuesday – April 24 The meeting adjourned. Next meeting The Council’s next meeting will be from 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., Tuesday, February 15, 2012 [postponed until Tuesday, March 13, 2012] at the Department of Safety and Professional Services, 1400 East Washington Avenue, Madison, WI. Contact Joe Hertel at (608) 266-5649 or email at joe.hertel@wisconsin.gov with questions.
Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 9:30 a.m. to
2:30 p.m., Department of Safety and Professional
Services, Room 121C, 1400 East Washington Ave, Madison, Wisconsin Guests: John Caruso, KONE Inc; Greg Graunke, WHEA; Nick Kretchmer,
KONE Inc.; George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund
(EIWPF); Jeff Lund, Waupaca Elevator; Dan Martin, Schindler Elevator;
Jim Stewart, Otis Elevator Company - The meeting adjourned.
Thursday, September 1, 2011, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30
p.m., Department of Safety and
Professional Services, Room 121A, 1400 East Washington Ave, Madison,
Wisconsin Status of the Department of Safety and Professional Services: As of
July 1, 2011, the divisions of Safety and Buildings
(S&B) and Environmental and Regulatory Services (ERS) were
merged with the Department of Regulation and Licensing to form the
Department of Safety and Professional Services. The credentialing
unit
has moved along with IT and administrative services to 1400 E.
Washington. The East Washington office is being referred to as
DSPS-East, while the 201 West Washington office is called DSPS-West.
The
goal is to relocate all staff to East Washington by March 2012. The council discussed the following recommendations: Written Maintenance Control Program (MCP): If Wisconsin is going to require a MCP, then staff recommends developing a form and a list of documents to be included as part of the MCP. Elevator manufacturers create a MCP for new elevators that is implemented on installation. The Wisconsin MCP would be a minimum form or checklist in addition to what the elevator company’s require. Staff was asked to develop code language for the MCP and include specifications for its location. Require keeping the petition for variance in the maintenance record: Staff will develop code language that requires any petition for variance conditional approval letters to be kept in the maintenance record. Fire-fighter’s emergency operation for electric and hydraulic elevators: Staff recommended updating the code so it is more in line with ASME A17.1 – 2007 and closer to department policy. Currently, the department has a FAQ that staff will distribute at the next council meeting. Allow platform aprons shorter than 48 inches for traction elevators: Allowing a platform apron to be shorter than 48 inches for traction elevators would eliminate the need for a petition variance. Staff noted that there have been 21 requests for variances since January 2008. Adam Smith went on record that it is a safety and liability issue to make an alteration which is shorter than the national code. The consensus of the council was that 48 inches would be the minimum length for platform aprons for existing elevators and that new installations could continue to file a petition for variance. Remove the requirement for metal test tags in the machine room: The council recommended that the test tags remain, and that “metal” be changed to “durable material.” Five-year tests policy: The consensus of the council is to continue with the 5-year tests policy so that all tests are done in the same year. This policy saves owners the cost of having the tests done out of cycle with each other. Change cut-off date for testing in-ground hydraulic jacks: Because these elevators were eased into the testing period in 2004 and testing has become routine, staff recommended applying the national code. Testing of above-ground jacks where any portion is not visible: Staff will develop language for an explanatory note about how visual inspection pertains to above ground jacks that have an invisible portion which cannot be inspected for water. Procedures listed in ASME A17.1 sections 8.6.11.4.2, 8.6.11.5.2, 8.6.11.6.1; 8.6.11.7, 8.6.11.8 and 8.6.11.9: The Council suggested reworking the proposed code language so the recommended procedures are the responsibility of the owner and readily available upon request from elevator personnel. The recommended procedures will not enforced. Witnessing of periodic testing:The Council discussed witnessing of the 5-year test because there are so many components to examine and to ensure safety. It was suggested that this could be tied to the mechanic credentialing requirement. -
Other comments: Council members discussed the 5-year test and
what should be included
as part of it. Contact Joe Hertel, 608-266-5649, joe.hertel@wisconsin.gov, with questions. Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., Town of Westport, Kennedy Administration Building, 5397 Mary Lake Road, Waunakee, Wisconsin Attendance
Welcome and review of agenda Chair Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting and asked Council members and guests to introduce themselves. The agenda was accepted as written. Member status and review member duties Larry Swaziek explained that the Safety and Buildings Division in the Department had reconvened the Council to update chapter Comm18 relating to the design, construction, installation, operation, inspection, testing, maintenance, alteration and repair of conveyances. Larry reviewed the statutes that define the Council’s duties and membership, and thanked the Council members for agreeing to serve. Council members are appointed by the Governor. The Council welcomed Adam Smith whose appointment becomes effective July 1, 2011. (Adam attended the meeting for Calvin King whose term has expired.) Staff is working with the Governor’s Office to fill the other vacancies on the Council. Council members received a copy of the scope statement to update chapter Comm 18. The revision includes adopting by reference the 2010 edition of the ASME A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators, and 2008 edition of the ASME A18., Safety Standard for Platform Lifts and Stairway Chairlifts. Division updates Larry updated the Council on the following:
Member issues On MOTION (Nord/Smith) Paul Rosenberg was unanimously re-elected as chair of the Council. Paul re-appointed Andrew Zielke as vice chair. Review proposed Conm 18 code changes Brian Rausch and Dave Holmes distributed a list of changes and clarifications relating to chapter Comm 18, Elevators, Escalators and Lift Devices, for the Council to review. The Council discussed staff’s recommendations that will rearrange and clarify who has what responsibilities in the administrative section of Chapter Comm 18. Staff recommended moving periodic testing to the contractor subsection. The Council suggested also including it under owner responsibility. A discussion ensued about Wisconsin going to witnessing as required by ASME A17.1. Members pointed to other states such as Illinois that are developing witnessing for testing procedures. The Council requested adding a placeholder for witnessing, and asked staff to research and develop a plan and language for a witnessing process. Review A17.1 code changes At the Council’s November 5, 2009 meeting, staff presented a list of “fix-ups” for Chapter Comm 18. Most of those fix-ups have been addressed by the new standards – ASME A17.1 2010 and ASME A18.10 2010. Brian and Dave distributed a handout that listed proposed revisions to ASME A17.1 2010 for the Council members to review. The Council will continue its review at its next meeting. Set next meeting and adjourn Council members are encouraged to review the 2010 editions of ASME A17.1 and A18.1, and bring items for discussion to the next meeting. The meeting adjourned. Next meeting The Council’s next meeting will be from 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., Monday, August 22, 2011 [meeting rescheduled to Thursday, September 1, 2011] with location to be determined [Conference Room 121A, Department of Safety and Professional Services, 1400 East Washington Ave., Madison WI]. Contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wisconsin.gov with questions.
Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 9:30
a.m. to noon, Thompson Commerce Center, 3B, 201 West Washington Ave.,
Madison, Wisconsin Thursday, November 13, 2008, 9:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center, Sixth Floor Conference Room, #6A, 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin ATTENDANCE
MEMBERS: VISITORS: Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Chair Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting and asked Council members and guests to introduce themselves. The agenda was accepted as written. The progress report from the March 13, 2008, meeting was reviewed and approved as written. Division updates Larry Swaziek, Project Manager, updated the Council on the following:
Ch. Comm 5, Rule Package #2, includes a new installation permit that expires if there is no activity in 6 months. The department is considering an “extension” process including a fee.
Chair Paul distributed and read a letter from Council member Andrew Zielke who was unable to attend the meeting. The following areas of concern were noted in the letter:
Larry distributed 2 credential applications: One for elevator mechanic license and the other for lift mechanic license. He referred the Council to page 2 of both applications, and asked them to review “Method 1 – Completing an Apprenticeship” and “Method 2 – (Grandfathered) – Completing the Necessary Hours of Experience.” The ensuing discussion focused on the following:
Department staff will research and develop some code text to address the topics discussed by the Council. After the Council reviews the draft code proposal and reaches consensus, the proposal would go to public hearing and could become effective in early 2010. Enforcement of Maintenance Control Program, ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.2.1 Council members raised questions about how the Maintenance Control Program, ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.2.1 will be enforced. Larry explained that the inspection would allow for a grace period so that compliance could be attained by the next inspection. He referenced a document on the S&B web site (Elevator/Conveyance System Programs page) that outlines the Maintenance Control Program. Modification to new section Comm 18.1702 (8), Suspension Ropes and Their Connections Larry announced that Commerce may propose an emergency rule to withdraw section Comm 18.1702 (8), which requires a wear and fatigue monitoring system and a device that protects against suspension loss for electric traction elevators using smaller sized wire ropes. During the ensuing discussion, it was pointed out that the department had taken a pro-active stance on code development in revising chapter Comm 18, and had used code language for section Comm 18.1702 (8) that was being developed for the next edition of ASME A17.1. The ASME 17.1 Committee withdrew the proposed section because of implementation concerns. Because chapter Comm 18 adopts by reference the 2007 edition of the ASME A17.1, the proposed emergency rule would alleviate confusion and enforcement issues. Future adoption of 2008 ASME A18.1 The department will review and note any substantial changes in the 2008 edition of ASME A18.1. After completing the review, a decision will be made about adopting the 2008 edition or waiting and revisiting in 2010. An electronic version of the 2008 ASME A18.1 is available for purchase. Future adoption of ASME A17.2, A17.6 andA17.7 Staff will evaluate ASME A17.2, A17.6 and A17.7, and may bring them to the Council in the future to consider for adoption. The meeting adjourned. Next Meeting: The next meeting of the Council will be set by email. It is tentatively set for middle or late February 2009, to look at changes in ch. Comm 5 relating to mechanic qualification requirements. If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wisconsin.gov. Thursday, March 13, 2008, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center, Third Floor Conference Room, #3B, 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin ATTENDANCE MEMBERS: Jesse Kaysen (Present), Calvin King (Present), Kevin Kraemer (Excused), Kelvin Nord (Present), Paul Rosenberg, Chair (Present), George Semenak (Excused), and Andrew Zielke, Vice-Chair (Present) VISITORS: Gregg Rogers, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF) George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF) Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau: Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau: Norma Sampson, Program Development Bureau: Bob DuPont, Program Development Bureau; Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau; and Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting with introductions. The progress report from the February 14, 2008, meeting was approved as written. The agenda was also accepted as written. Division Updates Larry Swaziek updated the Council on the following:
Bob DuPont distributed a revised draft of the proposed fee charges for the elevator program. The inspection fees are based on an average of 5 hours including time and travel. After discussing the average time and travel involved in an inspection, the council agreed that a 4- to 5-hour estimate was reasonable. Concern was expressed about the difference between state and private contractor’s charges for periodic inspections. The Council questioned increasing periodic inspections fees from $120 to $400 for a 5–10 landing traction elevator. One suggestion was to lower the $400 fee for 5 hours to $320 for 4 hours. It also was pointed out that a building owner is not obligated to use state inspectors and may hire private contractors to conduct an inspection. Bob will continue to review the concerns raised and review the fee structure. Review of Proposed Public Hearing Draft Larry Swaziek facilitated a review of the proposed public hearing draft for Comm 18 that includes requirements for elevators and dumbwaiters installed in dwelling units and proposed changes to the technical requirements in the adopted ASME standards. The Council concurred with the recommended changes outlined below.
Meeting Schedule for the Conveyance Safety Code Council The next meeting of the Council will be in June. If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wisconsin.gov . Wednesday, February 14, 2008, 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center, First Floor Human Resource Conference Room, 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin ATTENDANCE: MEMBERS: Jesse Kaysen (Present), Calvin King (Excused), Kevin Kraemer (Excused), Kelvin Nord (Present), Paul Rosenberg-Chair (Present), George Semenak (Excused), Andrew Zielke-Vice-Chair (Present) VISITORS: Aaron Duston, Otis Elevators Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau; Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau; Dan Meneguin, Integrated Services Bureau; Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau; Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report: Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting with introductions. The progress report from the January 9, 2008 meeting was approved as written with the following modification to the first sentence under “Inspections and Tests of Hydraulic Elevators:” Andy Zielke explained that Schindler Elevator Corporation performs yearly relief pressure tests for all hydraulic elevators that are under service contract with Schindler. The agenda was also accepted as written. Division Updates: Larry Swaziek updated the Council on the following:
Update on Fee Adjustments: Bob DuPont and Debra Miller distributed the proposed fee changes for the elevator program. The fees for most of the Division’s programs will be increased between 16-18 percent and this increase reflects the Division’s actual costs to perform the plan review and inspection services. The fee for a permit to operate will remain the same. It is anticipated a public hearing will be held in April of 2008 and the effective date of the rules should be October or November of 2008. It was noted that some owners may be resistant to the fee increase, especially those who have stairway chairlifts installed in their buildings. The fees would be increased from $90 every 3-years to $200 annually. There was also some concern on the fee changes as they apply to alterations. Bob and Debra will review the concerns raised and rework the fees to be more reasonable for the inspection and plan review services. Review of Licensing Changes: Jim Quast explained there are 3 major updates to the Legislative Review draft regarding licensing of elevator contractors and installers. The changes include:
There was some discussion on people applying for the elevator mechanic license before the grandfathering clause expires. The time for these individuals to apply is 2 years, which is consistent with other credentials in the Division. If they do not apply for the license before the 2-year period ends, they will need to take and pass an examination to obtain the license. Review of Comm 18 changes for Regulating Elevators and Dumbwaiters in Dwellings: Larry Swaziek reviewed the proposed draft and explained the specific code sections that are being modified to cover elevators and dumbwaiters that will serve dwelling units. The following is a summary of these changes:
Review of Proposed Public Hearing Draft: The Council reviewed the proposed public hearing draft and the following concerns were noted:
Meeting Schedule for the Conveyance Safety Code Council: The next meeting is set for: Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin At the March 13th meeting, the Council will review the updated public hearing draft. If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wi.gov. Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center, First Floor Human Resource Conference Room, 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDANCE: Jesse Kaysen (Excused), Calvin King (Present), Kevin Kraemer (Absent), Kelvin Nord (Present), Paul Rosenberg - Chair (Present), George Semenak (Present), Andrew Zielke - Vice-Chair (Present) VISITORS: George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF) Bill Page, Bruno Independent Living Aids/Association of Members of the Accessibility Industry (AEMA) Gregg Rogers, EIWPF Paul Ryan, Otis Robert Reed, Kone Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau Dan Meneguin, Integrated Services Bureau Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report: Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting with introductions. The progress report from the December 12, 2007 meeting was approved as written by unanimous vote. The agenda was also accepted as written and with the additions to discuss ASME A17.1 section 8.6.12 and to review information on testing of hydraulic elevators provided by Andy Zielke. The progress report from the December 12, 2007 meeting was accepted as written. Division Updates: Larry Swaziek updated the Council on the following: • Assembly Bill (AB) 358 may be modified to require elevators and dumbwaiters to be regulated by the Department of Safety and Professional Services if they are installed in private residences; however, platform lifts and stairway chairlifts would not be regulated in private residences. • The machine room-less elevator units using Kevlar ropes, which were recently installed in Wisconsin, are being redesigned to use steel ropes. • The ASME A18.1-2008 edition may not available until later this year so the 2005 edition will be ordered for adoption purposes and for the Council members. • Paul Rosenberg distributed the letter sent by the Conveyance Safety Code Council to the members of the Senate regarding AB 358. • The Council vacancy for a person representing the elevator service business has still not been filled by the Governor’s office. Review of ASME A18.1: Dave Holmes reviewed the technical changes to ASME A18.1 standard. The majority of the changes were minor; however, the following changes are noted: • ASME A18.1 section 2.3.4, requirements have been added for “friction drive” units. • Platform lifts are permitted to travel 14 feet. Comm 18.1802 (7) (d), which permitted the 14 feet of travel, can be eliminated. • ASME A1.1 section 2.01 requires up and down controls at all landings. The Council discussed that this requirement may be excessive. Most lifts will have multiple landings where there is only one direction to go. Bill Page from Bruno offered to research why this requirement was included. • Under the ASME A18.1 section 2.1.5.1, the requirements for ramps at inclined platform lifts references ramp slopes that may not be consistent with the Wisconsin Commercial Building Code (WBCB) or the federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Staff members will review the ASME A18.1 requirements to determine whether the Wisconsin modification under s. Comm 18.1802 (4) (b) should be retained. Courtroom Lifts: Brian Rausch provided information on courtroom lifts. Recently, the Department processed a petition that requested the use of a platform lift in a courtroom that complied with proposed requirements being considered by the ASME A18.1 Committee for inclusion in the 2008 edition. Brian explained the courtroom lift specifications include the following: • Platform area of 25 square feet. This dimension would permit a 60-inch diameter turning space. • Guard rail height of 36 inches, which would permit sightlines within the courtroom. • A rider of this type of lift may require some assistance. Since the lift is used within a very restricted and controlled environment, assistance provided to the users is not as much of a concern. It was suggested the WBCB be modified to include where these types of units could be considered for use in commercial buildings. • The mechanical system is a multiple-screw drive, driven by a single motor. • Travel distance is limited to 24 inches. • The door height is 36 inches and the door would not travel with the lift. • Area under the platform would be enclosed. • The running clearances of the courtroom lift are similar to commercial type units. The members felt these requirements should be included as Wisconsin based modifications. Bill Page from Bruno Independent Living Aids is a member of the ASME A18.1 Committee and he offered to research what specific requirements for courtroom lifts would be included in the 2008 edition of the ASME A18.1 standard. ASME A17.1 section 2.27/Telephone Requirements: Brian Rausch explained that the telephone requirements under the ASME A17.1 section 2.27 may not be as restrictive as previously thought. Elevators that travel less than 60 feet would permit a telephone to be installed in the elevator that uses line seizure to secure a telephone line to contact an elevator company in case of emergency. The rider of the elevator has the ability to seize the line for up to 4 hours. It appears that no Wisconsin modification will be required. Brian indicated there is an informational sheet available on the Safety and Buildings’ Web site that explains the requirements for this type of telephone used in elevators traveling less than 60 feet. ASME A17.1 section 8.6 Maintenance, Repair and Replacement: Paul Rosenberg suggested the following clarifications to requirements under ASME A17.1 section 8.6: • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.2.1/written maintenance control program. Suggests wording under Comm 18 to clarify that the installer must provide unique or product-specific procedures in the maintenance control program. Also suggests that instructions be available in the machine room on where a paper copy of the maintenance log is located. • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.5/code data plate. Clarify under chapter Comm 18 that this ASME section applies to installations from 1996 and newer. • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.12/maintenance of elevators, dumbwaiters, escalators and moving walks. In accordance with ASME A17.1 section 8.6 (intro. par.) Note, this section applies only to existing units installed in Canada. Suggests that ASME A17.1 sections 8.6.12.1.1, 86.12.1.2, 8.6.12.5, 8.6.12.3.1.3 and 8.6.12.4.1.2 be included under chapter Comm 18 for application to all elevators covered by this chapter. • ASME A17.1 sections 2.27.8 and 8.1.4/emergency operation. Believes the code does not require the conversion of existing Firefighters’ Emergency Operation (FEO) key switches, unless it is a new installation or modernization of the elevators. Believes that where other elevators exist in the building, a key other than the FEO-key may be used for firefighters’ operation provided all the key switches required in the building are operable by the same key. Suggests that this application be clarified under chapter Comm 18. Inspections and Tests of Hydraulic Elevators: Andy Zielke explained that Schindler Elevator Corporation performs yearly relief pressure tests for all hydraulic elevators with in-ground jacks regardless of when the elevator was installed. He noted that this policy is for all Schindler elevators installed globally just not in the United States. The annual test results indicated some faulty jacks but not widespread problems and he suggests that Wisconsin should require all tests and inspections in accordance with the specified times in the ASME A17.1. Zielke provided a form that could be used by owners of elevators to submit to the Department to record the safety test results for hydraulic elevators. He noted that the agency would need to determine how this submittal process would impact the administration of this program. Meetings Scheduled for the Conveyance Safety Code Council: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wi.gov Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center, First Floor Human Resource Conference Room, 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDANCE: Jesse Kaysen (Present), Calvin King (Present), Kevin Kraemer (Present), Kelvin Nord (Present), Paul Rosenberg, Chair (Present), George Semenak (Present), Andrew Zielke, Vice-Chair (Present) VISITORS: George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF); Bill Page, Bruno Independent Living Aids/Association of Members of the Accessibility Industry (AEMA) DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE STAFF: Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau; Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau; Dan Meneguin, Integrated Services Bureau; Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau; Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau; Debra Miller, Department of Safety and Professional Services Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report: Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting with introductions. The progress report from the November 21, 2007 meeting was approved as written by unanimous vote. The agenda was also accepted as written. Division Updates: The members discussed the proposed Assembly Bill 358 that would eliminate the application of the elevator licensing requirements and technical requirements to private residences. The following motion was made by the voting members of the council: A motion was made and seconded to request that the Conveyance Safety Code Council send an objection letter to proposed Assembly Bill 358. The motion passed by with a vote of 6 in favor, none in opposition and 2 in abstention (Swaziek and Semenak). Larry Swaziek noted that the agency is preparing the legislative review package for the changes proposed to Comm 5 and 18. Only those changes as discussed at the November meeting will be made to this draft. Review of ASME A17.1 chapters 6, 7 and 8: Brian Rausch and Dave Holmes continued the review of the technical changes to ASME A17.1 standard. A number of the changes from the ASME A17.1, 2002 and 2003 addendums, 2004 revisions, 2005 supplement and 2007 revisions were highlighted in the code comparison document with the following changes having some impacts compared to the requirements in the 2000 edition: • ASME A17.1 sections 8.1, 8.6, 8.7, 8.9, 8.10 and 8.11 apply to both new and existing installations. Under ASME A17.1 section 8.1, keys to access or operate elevators would need to be changed so that every elevator in the state uses the same key. Requiring the fire firefighters’ emergency operation key to be changed for all elevators may have a financial impact on small businesses. It was suggested that staff members prepare the cost impact to small business for review by the council at a future meeting. • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.2.1 requires a written maintenance control program, which is a program explaining how to examine, maintain, test, clean, lubricate and adjust the equipment. This requirement will require consistent application from the elevator inspectors and education of owners on compliance with this requirement. The maintenance log is required under ASME A17.1 section 8.6.12. • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.5 requires a code data plate. It was discussed that a Wisconsin based modification should be developed so this requirement will apply only to new installations. • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.1.6.5 requires fire extinguishers in walk-in machinery and control room for escalators and moving walks. It was suggested that the current Wisconsin based modification under s. Comm 18.1708 (1) allowing the fire extinguisher to be placed outside and adjacent to the entrance be maintained. • Comm 18.1708 (4) will be modified to include ASME A17.1 sections 8.6.11.3, 8.6.11.7 and 8.6.11.8. The informational note relating to emergency evacuation procedures will also apply to these sections. • ASME A17.1 section 8.6.12.5.2 requires a rope brake or similar device when a driving machine is replaced. Currently, replacement of the drive machine with a drive machine that is basically the same as the original is considered a replacement not an alteration and the rope brake would not be required. It was suggested that staff members prepare a cost analysis for the impact of this change on owners. • Comm 18.1708 (11) relates to the testing of underground cylinders. It was discussed whether the agency should require pressure testing of these cylinders that have been installed prior to 1975 to cylinders installed prior to 1994. Andy Zielke offered to provide information on testing of jacks performed by Schindler Elevator Corporation. • Comm 18.1708 (10) (a) and (c) 2. relates to category 1 periodic inspections and tests for electric elevators and testing of oil buffers, braking systems and emergency and stand-by power operation. It was suggested this test not be excluded anymore and should be required. Meetings Scheduled for the Conveyance Safety Code Council: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin Wednesday, February 6, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wi.gov Wednesday, November 21, 2007, 9:30 to 12:30 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center, Third Floor Conference Room #3B, 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDANCE: Calvin King (Present), Kevin Kraemer (Present), Jesse Kaysen (Present), Kelvin Nord (Present), Paul Rosenberg, Chair (Present), George Semenak (Present), Andrew Zielke, Vice-Chair (Present) VISITORS: George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF); Kevin Marien, Waupaca Elevator Company; Bill Page, Bruno Independent Living Aids/Association of Members of the Accessibility Industry (AEMA); Aaron Duston, Otis Elevatorcott Steger, Schindler Elevator; Jim Merten, Otis Elevator Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau; Amanda Berry, Program Development Bureau; Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau; Jim Quast, Program Development Bureau; Bob DuPont, Program Development Bureau; Dan Meneguin, Integrated Services Bureau; Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau; Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report: Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting with introductions. The progress report from the October 10, 2007 meeting was approved as written by unanimous vote. The agenda was also accepted as written. Division Updates: Larry Swaziek updated the council members and visitors on legislative and code activity. He distributed a copy of 2007 WI Act 20 relating to licensing of elevator mechanics, which modified the licensing qualifications for an elevator mechanic. This change is already reflected in the public hearing draft for chapters Comm 5 and 18. Swaziek also distributed a copy of the International Building Code®(IBC), chapter 30 relating to elevators and conveying systems. These requirements primarily cover construction items relating to elevators and conveying systems. The IBC requirements are projected to take effect on March 1, 2008. Bob DuPont explained the agency has prepared a scope statement for changes to chapter Comm 2 relating to fees the Division charges. The Division anticipates raising the fees approximately 15% and this change would not become effective until the fall of 2008. Any proposed changes affecting the elevator program will be shared with this Council. Larry Swaziek also reported that ISIS model elevators with machinery spaces located in the hoistway are being monitored due to the type of suspension ropes being used in the installation. The elevators are permitted to be operated with enhanced monitoring procedures until the company replaces the current suspension rope type with steel ropes. Review of the Public Hearing Comment Summary and Draft Agency Response: Larry Swaziek reviewed the public hearing comments and indicated the comments fell into the following categories: • Individuals in favor of the proposed rules, which would not include licensing and inspection requirements for conveyances serving an individual residential dwelling unit. • Individuals opposed to the proposed rules because the rules would not inlcude licensing and inspection requirements for conveyances serving an individual residential dwelling unit. • Individuals submitting suggestions for technical changes to the proposed rules. Swaziek explained the agency supports the current rule package as written, which concentrates on the licensing and inspection requirements for conveyances in commercial buildings. The issues related to the licensing and inspection of conveyances located in one-and two-family dwellings and in multifamily commercial buildings will be discussed with the Uniform Dwelling Code Council, the Multifamily Dwelling Code Council and the Conveyance Safety Code Council in the future for research and rule development. It was noted these Councils would consider issues relating to permitting, inspection of conveyances and the application requirements for new installations in private residences and for conveyances already installed in private residences. Some Council members were concerned that there have been too many accidents and deaths nationally involving children using elevators located in private residences. They believe the current rule package must cover the private residence installations. Bob DuPont explained the agency does not disagree that the residential installations should be considered but the agency believes the licensing requirements for commercial facilities should be established first. It was indicated this Council is currently reviewing the technical requirements of the ASME A17.1 and ASME A18.1 standards for the adoption of the 2007 editions of these standards. During this review the residential installation issues could also be considered. Kelvin Nord believed the current rule package should cover elevators and dumbwaiters in private residences and made the following motion: A motion was made and seconded (Jesse Kaysen) to eliminate the words “elevator and dumbwaiter” from the definition of conveyance specified under section Comm 5.003 (10g) (a). The motion failed by a vote of 1 to 6 with 1 abstention. Bob DuPont suggested that staff consider the issues relating to the inclusion of elevators serving individual residential dwelling units in the upcoming rule draft that will contain the technical requirement modifications and adoption of the ASME standards. He suggested that staff prepare a rule draft for elevators serving individual residential dwelling units for the Council to consider at the February 6, 2008 meeting. The Council felt comfortable with this proposal. The following major technical suggestions were considered: • Comm 5.003 (10g) (b). The proposed rules do not cover personnel hoists since these types of units would be covered under the federal Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA) program. • Comm 5.991 (1) (c). The proposed rules do not permit an elevator mechanic-restricted or apprentice-restricted to replace hoist ropes or governor ropes. It was decided that the rules to eliminate the replacement of ropes restriction for the elevator mechanic-restricted and the apprentice-restricted category should remain. • Comm 5.992 (3). The proposed rules require that a person applying for an elevator mechanic license must be employed for at least 1,000 hours per year for 5 consecutive years immediately preceding the date of application. It was explained this requirement does exceed the statutory established time limit of 3 years but the extended time limit was based on the elevator apprenticeship program requirement, which is 4 years. • Comm 5.992 (3). The proposed rules required that a person applying for an elevator mechanic license must be employed for at least 1,000 hours per year for 5 consecutive years “immediately preceding the date of application.” It was discussed that individuals may have the 1,000 hours per year for 5 or more years of elevator mechanic experience but they may have moved to the office assigning work to the elevator company’s employees or mechanics. These individuals may not be performing actual mechanic duties but they are still working with the elevator industry and the Council suggested that these individuals be allowed to receive the elevator mechanic license, even if the work is not “immediately preceding the date of application. Staff will develop code language using that concept. • Comm 5.991 (1) (b). A question was raised whether as written the rules would prohibit a licensed mechanic from installing, repairing or maintaining a conveyance not within the scope of this code. For example, it would appear that a licensed mechanic would not be able to work on a non-regulated stairway chairlift in a private residence. Staff will modify the code language to more clearly state the intent. • Comm 5.992 and Comm 5.997. These sections have separate requirements for someone working on an elevator or a lift. If an individual wants to be licensed as an elevator mechanic and a lift mechanic, it appears from the rules that the individual may be required to have 1,000 hours of employment experience for each category for a total of 2,000 hours of work experience per year. Council members felt that elevator mechanic level work plus lift mechanic level work could concurrently apply to the elevator mechanic and lift mechanic license without having to accumulate more than 1,000 hours per year. Staff will study the wording to see if any modifications are necessary. Meetings Scheduled for the Conveyance Safety Code Council: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Human Resource Conference Room – First Floor (**please note the room change**) 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin Wednesday, January 9, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin Wednesday, February 6, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wi.gov Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 9:30 to 2:00 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDANCE: Calvin King (Present), Kevin Kraemer (Present), Jesse Kaysen (Present), Kelvin Nord (Present), Paul Rosenberg, Chair (Present), George Semenak (Excused), Andrew Zielke, Vice-Chair (Present) VISITORS: John Caruso, Kone Inc.; George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF); Jeff Lund, Waupaca Elevator Company; Kevin Marien, Waupaca Elevator Company; Bill Page, Bruno Independent Living Aids/An Association of Members of the Accessibility Industry (AEMA); Gregg Rogers, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF); Paul Ryan, Otis Elevator Company Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau; Amanda Berry, Program Development Bureau; Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau; Dan Meneguin, Integrated Services Bureau; Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau; Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report: Paul Rosenberg opened the meeting with a round table of introductions. Rosenberg also updated the council on the appointment of George Semenak to the Conveyance Safety Code Council. Only one position remains vacant and awaiting appointment from the Governor. Swaziek noted that the governor’s office is still looking for applicants for the vacant position – elevator servicing business. Rosenberg reminded everyone that the Elevator Training Symposium is November 13 & 14, 2007 at LaCrosse Radisson Hotel, which coincides with Escalator and Elevator Safety Week. Rosenberg also reviewed the October 10, 2007 meeting agenda and progress report from the September 5, 2007 meeting, which were accepted as written. Kelvin Nord expressed concern for having the Proposed Rules being sent to Public Hearing so quickly, which was voted on at the September 5, 2007 meeting. Nord was not in attendance for that meeting but sent a letter to Larry Swaziek on September 17, 2007 that was distributed to the attendees at the meeting, which outlined his concern. He feels that the Council needs to address licensing requirements for residential elevator installers. Swaziek explained the motion to move ahead with the Public Hearing was already voted and accepted at the previous meeting. It was noted that council members would have the opportunity to submit this concern during the Public Hearing process because Nord submitted his letter after the vote to proceed with the proposed changes. Nord inquired as to the role of the Governor-appointed committee in code development. Swaziek explained their role, representing different factions of the community involved or affected by this legislation, is advisory to the Department of Commerce. The Secretary of the Department will consider any recommendations offered by the Council but it is her responsibility to accept or reject the recommendations. Swaziek also reminded the members that they are encouraged to send alternates to voice concern for any agenda item, if they are unable to attend meetings. The Public Hearing procedures and the role of the Advisory Council were clarified. Swaziek informed the council the Public Hearing process provides an opportunity for anyone to make comments concerning the proposed rules. These comments are recorded at the meeting and additional comments can be submitted until November 12, 2007. Department of Safety and Professional Services staff review all the comments and provide the proposed agency position for each comment submitted. Staff will bring the summary of public hearing comments and proposed agency responses back to the Advisory Council at the November 21, 2007 meeting for review and comments from the Council. The draft can be modified in response to public hearing comments as necessary and accepted by the Department of Safety and Professional Services. Once approved by the Secretary, it will be sent to the legislature for committee review. Division Updates: Larry Swaziek updated the council members and visitors on legislative and code activity. The proposed legislation to modify Act 456, including corrective issues relating to licensing, has been rolled into the budget bill. The Legislative Budget Conference Committee has not reached a decision regarding the budget bill. Swaziek again reminded council members and visitors that there is a public hearing on October 29, 2007 in Madison on proposed rules relating to elevator contractors and installers. Review of Changes to the ASME A17.1 Standard, Parts 1 through 5: Department staff prepared a code comparison document that was distributed at the meeting. The ASME A17.1 standard currently adopted in Comm 18, Wisconsin elevator code, is the 2000 edition. Brian Rausch explained we are currently in the process of adopting the 2007 edition of this standard. A number of the changes from the ASME A17.1, 2002 and 2003 addendums, 2004 revisions, 2005 supplement and 2007 revisions were highlighted in the code comparison document with the following changes having some impacts compared to the requirements in the 2000 edition: • ASME A17.1 section 2.2.2.5 relating to sump pump and drain capacity will mandate a minimum removal capacity for each elevator. The new requirement may require larger sump pumps or more of them to serve each elevator. • ASME A17.1 section 2.26.9.4 relating to methods used to restart an elevator will be held for discussion at a future meeting. • ASME A17.1 section 2.27.1 relating to Emergency Operation and Signaling Devices has numerous changes and will be discussed at a future meeting. • ASME A17.1 sections 2.27.1, 2.27.1.1.1, 2.27.1.1.2, and 2.27.1.1.4 relating to two-way communication and staffing requirements are being held for discussion at a future meeting. • ASME A17.1 section 2.27.3.1.6 (h) relating to the operation of the visual and audible signals after the elevator fire recall process will be held for discussion at a future meeting. • ASME A17.1 sections 2.27.3.2.1, 2.27.3.2.3, 2.27.3.2.4 and 2.27.4.2 relating to Phase I Emergency Recall Operations by Fire Alarm Initiating devices, have a change in the term elevator lobby to floor and level respectfully. This wording change may have a significant impact on the use of elevators serving larger buildings such as hospitals. Staff members will prepare a Wisconsin modification to require only the elevators serving a specific elevator lobby to be recalled to the designated level in case of an emergency. • ASME A17.1 sections 2.27.3.2.6 and 2.27.4.2 relating to heat detectors need further research to determine if the reference to 2.27.3.2.1 (d) is an editorial mistake because (d) no longer exists in the ASME A17.1- 2007 edition. • ASME A17.1 section 2.27.8 relating to elevator switch keys will be discussed at a future meeting after sufficient research has been conducted on the potential impact for building owners. The new requirement would mandate that the firefighters’ emergency operation key be universal, regardless of the manufacturer. • ASME section 3.17.3.5 relating to plunger gripper stopping distances refers to table in non-mandatory Appendix P. We may want to consider adopting this appendix. Meetings Scheduled for the Conveyance Safety Code Council: The next meeting is scheduled for: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin The next three meetings are tentatively scheduled for: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3C 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin Wednesday, January 9, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin Wednesday, February 6, 2008 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin At the November 21, 2007 meeting, the Council will review the summary of public hearing comments and the proposed agency response and make suggestions for the final draft before it is sent to the Legislature. At the December 12, 2007 meeting, the Council will review technical changes in ASME A.17.1 section 2.27 and ASME A17.1 chapters 6, 7, and 8. At the January 9, 2008 meeting, the Council is scheduled to review ASME A18.1 –Safety Standard for Platform Lifts and Stairway Chairlifts. At the February 6, 2008 meeting, the Council is scheduled to review and finalize a draft of proposed rules for Public Hearing. If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wi.gov Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 9:30 a.m. 12:30 p.m. Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDANCE: Calvin King (Present), Kevin Kraemer (Present), Jesse Kaysen (Present), Kelvin Nord (Absent), Paul Rosenberg (Present), Andrew Zielke (Present) VISITORS: Bill Page, Bruno Independent Living Aids/An Association of Members of the Accessibility Industry (AEMA); Aaron Duston, Otis Elevator; George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund (EIWPF); Jim Boullion, Associated General Contractors of Wisconsin (AGC); Steve Showers, Kone Elevator Department of Safety and Professional Services STAFF: Bob DuPont, Program Development Bureau; Larry Swaziek, Program Development Bureau; Jim Quast, Program Development Bureau; Amanda Berry, Program Development Bureau; Diane Meredith, Program Development Bureau; Dan Meneguin, Integrated Services Bureau; Dave Holmes, Integrated Services Bureau; Brian Rausch, Integrated Services Bureau Welcome and Review of Agenda and Progress Report: Larry Swaziek opened the meeting with a round table of introductions. The agenda for the meeting and the progress report from the August 1, 2007 meeting were accepted as written. Election of Chairperson and Vice Chairperson: Larry Swaziek opened the floor for council Chairperson nominations. Paul Rosenberg was elected as Chairperson by unanimous vote. Andy Zielke was elected as Vice Chairperson by unanimous vote. Division Updates: Bob DuPont updated the council members and visitors on legislative activity. The Legislative Budget Conference Committee is currently negotiating the upcoming budget, but it has not been finalized. At this point it appears that all legislative proposals to adjust the elevator licensing provisions of 2005 Wisconsin Act 456 will be included in the budget bill. The code change draft has been modified to reflect that understanding. Larry Swaziek updated the members on new elevator inspector contract provisions that became effective September 1, 2007: • The Department of Safety and Professional Services entered into a contract with National Elevator Inspection Service (NEIS). • Third-party inspection agencies are also being used for periodic inspections. • There is a new plan review application form on the Safety and Buildings website that reflects fee changes. When the state inspector provides inspection services for a new or remodeled conveyance the fees for plan review, initial inspection and Permit to Operate (PTO) are collect up front. When the NEIS inspector provides inspection services for a new or remodeled conveyance, only the fees for plan review and PTO are collected up front. NEIS will collect their own fees for the inspection(s) they perform. • The Inspector District Map has been modified as of August 28, 2007. There are now 13 districts divided up by Agent Districts (inspected by NEIS) and State Districts (inspected by State inspectors). The previous map had 5 districts. An Elevator Training Symposium is November 13 & 14, 2007 at LaCrosse Radisson Hotel, which coincides with Escalator and Elevator Safety Week. Review Proposed Rule Draft Relating to Comm 5 – Licenses, Certifications, and Registrations Jim Quast reviewed the proposed rule draft relating to the licensing changes and the following changes and topics were discussed: • Comm 5.02 Table lines 67 to 75 categories were renumbered and new categories for lift mechanic, lift apprentice, and lift helper were added. • Comm 5.991 (1) (a) 6. to 8. and Comm 5.991 (1) (b) relating to elevator installers, identifies new credential requirements and applications. A concern was raised that Comm 5.991 (1) (b) should include specific language on the types of maintenance that could be performed by persons not licensed or registered under Comm 5. It was decided that staff members would work with Paul Rosenberg to possibly develop a more general rule to satisfy his concern without establishing a laundry list of items. • Comm 5.992 (1), (3), Comm 5.992 (6) (b), and Comm 5.993 relating to elevator mechanic and elevator mechanic-restricted licensing have been modified. • Comm 5.992 (5), Comm 5.994, Comm 5.995, and Comm 5.996 relating to elevator mechanic, elevator apprentice, elevator apprentice-restricted, and elevator helpers has been modified to clarify activities that need to be executed under proper supervision. It was suggested to change “may” to “shall” and add in “elevator mechanic” under s. Comm 5.994 (1) (b). Jim Quast will review the language for consistency with the law. • Comm 5.997, Comm 5.998, and Comm 5.999 relating to lift mechanic, lift apprentice, and lift helper, new licensing requirements have been added. Review Proposed Rule Draft Relating to Comm 18 – Elevators, Escalators, and Lift Devices Larry Swaziek reviewed the proposed modifications relating to the licensing changes, and the following rules and topics were discussed: • Comm 18.1007 has been changed to include accident reporting, which makes conveyance equipment owners responsible for reporting any accidents. New stickers outlining this procedure will be posted in the machinery spaces by elevator inspectors. • Comm 18.013 Tables 1 to 7 were changed to include an item number column on the left side of the tables for ease of reference. Table 18.1013-4 was reorganized to put repair and replacement items at the head of the table and the title of the table was modified to reflect that repairs and replacements are also included in the table. Those repair and replacement items were brought to the top of the table as they are examples of work that may be performed by a person that has a mechanic or mechanic-restricted license. Motion to Forward the Proposed Draft Rules to Public Hearing A motion was made and seconded to forward the proposed public hearing draft to public hearings. The draft shall also include specific language identifying the types of maintenance that could be performed by persons not licensed or registered under Comm 5. The motion passed by unanimous vote. Next Meeting The next two meetings of the Conveyance Safety Code Committee are scheduled for: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin Wednesday, November 21, 2007 at 9:30am Tommy G. Thompson Commerce Center Third Floor Conference Room #3B 201 West Washington Ave. Madison, Wisconsin At the October 10, 2007 meeting, the council will review technical changes in ASME A.17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. At the November 21, 2007 meeting, the council is scheduled to review public hearing comments on the proposed rules schedule pertaining to licensing. If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek at (608) 267-7701 or email at larry.swaziek@wi.gov Wednesday, August 1, 2007, 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.; Thompson Commerce Center, Room #3B; 201 West Washington Ave.;Madison, Wisconsin Council Member Attendance: Calvin King - Present; Kevin Kraemer - Present; Jesse Kaysen - Present; Dan Meneguin - Present; Kelvin Nord - Present; Paul Rosenberg - Present; Larry Swaziek - Present; Andrew Zielke.- Present. Visitors: Ed Wilusz, Wisconsin Paper Council; Bill Page, Bruno Independent Living Aids; Fred Rikkers, Bruno Independent Living Aids; Aaron Duston, Otis Elevator; Rick Sobeck, Otis Elevator; George Klaetsch, Elevator Industry Work Preservation Fund ;Jim Boullion, Associated General Contractors of Wisconsin; Jeff Kelling, Alltech; Paul Donigsin, Kone; John Caruso, Kone. Department of Safety and Professional Services Staff: Bob DuPont, Larry Swaziek, Jim Quast, Diane Meredith, Dan Meneguin, Dave Holmes, Brian Rausch, John Kastner. Welcome and Introductions Larry Swaziek opened the meeting with a round of introductions. He noted there are two vacant positions on the council and these positions will be appointed by the governor’s office. He also noted that Dan Meneguin from Safety and Buildings is the Division Employee representative on the council and that he (Larry Swaziek) is the Secretary of Commerce’s representative to the Council. Larry reviewed the material mailed to the members and Diane Meredith explained the Council Manual. Division Updates Bob DuPont updated the members on Wisconsin Act 456 by explaining the following: The Act creates a more robust elevator program from what has been enforced in the state since 1913; The licensing requirements have been changed relating to who can submit elevator plans and who must be on the job site; Division staff members met with the proponents of the bill late last year to discuss regulations established in the Act and what amendments may need to be proposed to clarify the licensing regulations; The legislature is working on amendments to Act 456 but they are not finalized; The Department issued an emergency rule effective June 1, 2007 to comply with the law. The emergency rule was distributed and explained. The emergency rule will remain in effect until permanent rules take effect. Review of Topic Areas under the Preliminary Public Hearing Draft Jim Quast reviewed the proposed rule draft relating to the licensing changes and the following rules and topics were discussed: - A question was raised on the application of the rules to a permanently installed swimming pool lift at a public building. The initial response was that the division does not typically review these types of lifts, but staff will research to see if these units would now be covered. - Comm 5.003(10g) excludes elevators, dumbwaiters, platform lifts, stairway chair lifts and any other devices serving individual dwelling units. There was a recommendation that, at least, elevators serving individual dwelling units not be excluded from the definition. - Comm 5.004 updates the welding code to the most current edition. - Comm 5.01 (4) and 5.02 relating to fees and continuing education includes a three-month notification prior to the expiration of the person’s license. - Comm 5.37 relating to elevator contractors will contain a rule where a person, entity or business is not required to hold a license as a licensed contractor to service or maintain an existing conveyance within the facilities or properties owned by the person, entity or business. - Comm 5.38 relating to elevator installers identifies who may erect, construct, alter replace, maintain, repair, remove or dismantle conveyances. A concern was raised that a definition may need to be developed indicating who may do such tasks as changing light bulbs or cleaning the pits. Staff members will work with industry representatives to help clarify the rule. - Comm 5.383 relating to elevator mechanic may need some clarification for determining the elevator mechanic level of work experience. A question was raised as to whether a “temporary” mechanic who is not licensed yet could work under the direct supervision a licensed mechanic. The division would accept this type of work arrangement. - Comm 5.384 relating to elevator mechanic-restricted requires the person to complete an apprenticeship program and take an examination. The continuing education requirements are found under Comm 5.08 and the requirements for course examination are found under Comm 5.09. - Comm 5.64 relating to elevator inspectors require a person to show evidence that they hold a certification as a Qualified Elevator Inspector (QEI). The option to take the Wisconsin exam will no longer be available. - There was a suggestion to reconsider the inclusion of rules that would require installers and maintenance people to be licensed when doing work in private dwellings. Currently, the proposed rules would not apply to conveyances installed in individual residential dwelling units. The lift manufacturing industry relies on installers that are knowledgeable in the installation of stairway chairlifts and platform lifts, but would not be qualified to install elevators and gain the work experience necessary to qualify for licensure. Review of the Comm 18 Technical Requirement Modifications Larry Swaziek reviewed the changes necessary under Comm 18 to be consistent with the licensing requirements and terminology under the Act. The following rules and topics were discussed: - A question was raised on the application of these rules to private dwellings where a person with a disability hires a personal care attendant to work within the person’s home. It is believed this application would not fall under the statute definition of “place of employment.” - Comm 18.1007 relating to owner’s responsibilities: It was suggested the rule include the requirement that the owner is responsible for reporting any accidents specified under Comm 18.1008. It was also discussed that the availability of the maintenance records to the inspector by request is not being consistently enforced and is causing problems for owners and elevator companies. The suggestion is to have consistent application of the rule by the inspectors or the rule should be modified to identify what specific maintenance items must be made available. - Comm 18.1008(1) relating to accident reporting should be modified by moving the requirements for removal of the elevator, escalator, or lift device from use by the public to Comm 18.1008(2) relating to the discontinuation of operation. - Comm 18.1013(2)(b)6 relating to sufficient data on how the building complies with the specific building design requirements should be modified to retain the current language, which requires at least one copy of the plans containing the original shop drawing stamp of the supervising building designer. Comm 18.1014 relating to permits to operate has been modified to use language and terminology consistent with the Act. - There was a suggestion to adopt the national ASME A17.2 standard relating to a guide for inspections and the ASME A17.3 standard relating to a safety code for existing installations. The division will consider these suggestions. Next Meeting - The next meeting of the Conveyance Safety Code is scheduled for: Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 9:30 a.m., Thompson Commerce Center; Room #3B; 201 West Washington Ave., Madison, Wisconsin. The options for a meeting in October are Wednesday, October 3rd or 10th. Decisions related to scheduling a meeting in October will be made at the Sept. 5 meeting. If you have any questions, please contact Larry Swaziek, 608-267-7701, larry.swaziek@wi.gov. 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